Apparatuses, methods, and computer readable media are disclosed. A HE station may include circuitry. The circuitry may be configured to: generate a HE packet with a short preamble format or a long preamble format, wherein the HE packet comprises one or more legacy signal (L-SIG) fields followed by one or more HE signal fields (HE-SIG) and an HE long-training field (HE-LTF); and configure the HE packet to indicate whether the HE packet is configured with the short preamble format or the long preamble format. The HE packet may be configured with the short preamble format or the long preamble format based on one from the following group: a symbol after the L-SIG fields, a L-SIG polarity of a repeated L-SIG, a number of times the L-SIG fields is repeated, or a length field of one of the one or more L-SIG fields.