Devices, systems and methods for digital video coding, which includes matrix-based intra prediction methods for video coding, are described. In a representative aspect, a method for video processing includes performing a conversion between a current video block of a video and a bitstream representation of the current video block according to a rule, where the rule specifies a relationship between applicability of a matrix based intra prediction (MIP) mode or a transform mode during the conversion, where the MIP mode includes determining a prediction block of the current video block by performing, on previously coded samples of the video, a boundary downsampling operation, followed by a matrix vector multiplication operation, and selectively followed by an upsampling operation, and where the transform mode specifies use of a transform operation for the determining the prediction block for the current video block.