A hidden fan and a fan lamp are disclosed. The hidden fan includes a turntable assembly and a plurality of fan blade assemblies arranged at the turntable assembly, the turntable assembly has a turntable and a limit wheel configured to rotate relative to the turntable, the turntable has a plurality of fan blade fixing portions, and the plurality of fan blade fixing portions are annularly arranged around a center of the turntable, at least one of the fan blade assemblies has a fan blade and a return elastic component, the fan blade has a fixed portion and a linkage portion arranged at a side of the fixed portion, the fixed portion is arranged at the corresponding fan blade fixing portion, the linkage portion is connected with the limit wheel.