A method in a wireless system, including: receiving, at a wireless device, over first and second networks, from each of plural radios of the first and second networks, respective first and second sets of reference signals received from first radios of the first and second networks, and plural further reference signals received from remaining radios of plural radios of the first and second networks, the first radios of the first and second networks located at a common location; calculating first and second sets of normalized reference signals from ratios for each further reference signal of the first and second sets of reference signals with the first and second reference signals of the first and second sets of reference signals; comparing predictions of signal loss based on the first and second sets of normalized reference signals; and determining an estimate of shadow fading or signal reflectors using the comparison result.